Do you
download music illegally? Congratulations, you are killing the UK pop industry
- Mail Online - Paul Connolly on Music and Movies
28.
august 2012
09:10
25 March 2010 1:22 PM
Do you download music illegally? Congratulations, you are killing the UK
pop industry
Listen, most
of us have done it at least once.
In the early
days of the internet I occasionally tracked down obscure songs from acts of my
youth that I couldn’t find anywhere else on dodgy peer-to-peer services such as
Limewire.
I didn’t think
I was doing anything wrong – after all, I’d already bought the songs on 7” inch
singles back in the 1980s so it wasn’t like I hadn’t paid for them already.
That was my
reasoning anyway, flawed as it was.
Then, as I
spent more time with bands, I started to realise the detrimental effect it was
having on their livelihood. “People think it’s no big deal but it is,
essentially, stealing,” was the general feeling among bands. “If we don’t sell
enough albums, the label will not renew our contract and the band splits up.”
But many
people still think nothing of downloading music illegally. Indeed some think
it’s their right.
Why? Would
they be happy working for nothing? No, of course not, but they expect their
favourite bands to not be paid for their work.
Last year Lily
Allen (above) popped her head above the parapet and said, ‘Illegal file-sharing
damages music because it harms new artists.
'When you
start in a music career, you need money to establish and promote yourself and
pay for your material to be recorded.
'This money
comes from music sales, because when you're a new artist you can't make enough
from gigs or selling T-shirts. If you can't sell your music, you can't go on.
It's that simple.’
She was
absolutely slaughtered for her stance by those most cowardly of individuals,
anonymous internet warriors. ‘All art should be free,’ claimed one bonehead.
‘You’re rich, so stop moaning,’ piped up another rational thought vacuum, while
one music critic, usually a sensible chap, called Allen "a pampered lovey
in chav's clothing."
And these were
the less vicious responses by the brain donors.
Allen is, of
course right, as emphasised by a recent report which suggests that the British
music business is likely to lose nearly 10,000 jobs over the next 5 years as a
result of piracy.
That’s nearly
10% of those currently employed in an industry which currently annually exports
£1.3bn of music.
The
contraction of the industry will mean fewer labels signing fewer new bands. As
music business boss Geoff Taylor says, ‘We are approaching a tipping point
where investment in our talent will dry up due to mass illegal downloading.’
And what will
the music thieves have left to steal then?
You wouldn't download a car
SvarSletI would if i could!!!
SvarSletThis does not make sense. If you're are a new artist people does not know you that well. Which means that people aren't going to download it. In case it will get to the internet, it is just a free commercial for the artist. For thoose artist who are already known, it is NOT going to harm them. They already have lot of concerts where the make big piles of money!! I believe that piracy is actually a good thing.
SvarSlethttp://torrentfreak.com/artists-dont-think-piracy-hurts-them-financially-110412/
An already known, famous and rich artist should be quiet, yes. But when an upcoming artist gets known (through Youtube maybe) how would they be able to earn any money, and "get out there" when people wont buy their cd's? they can't live on concerts, since there not known enough, yet.
SletThere are lots of arguments both ways on this subject. I think it comes down to is it a legal issue or only an ethical issue. I think it would be hard to argue that it is not a legal issue considering the artists own the rights to their music and it is being taken without any compensation.
SvarSletThese downloads help artists.
These illegal downloads in fact help artists. Let's take a step back and think about it: listeners download music so that they can have more music than they could otherwise afford. Record executives whine about "lost sales" due to illegal downloads. The reality is they haven't lost sales due to the downloads. The listeners wouldn't be buying the music if it wasn't otherwise available, they would just be going without.
Why don't listeners buy that music? Because, unless they are already familiar with and enjoy that artist's sound, they don't want to spend fifteen bucks on an experiment. They don't want to spend 15 bucks every time they get an album and figure out they don't like So & So's music so much after all. They want to be sure that what they get is quality music that they will enjoy. They want reassurance that they won't buy an album only to figure out that that artist had one good song on the radio, and the rest is crap.
If you think about it, then, these downloads are gaining listeners for an artist. And once consumers are reassured that their money will be well-spent, and that they'll enjoy the product, they are no longer afraid to part with that money. Take a look at musician Janis Ian's article, she raves about what downloads do for her music:
http://www.janisian.com...
"Music is everybody's possession. It is only the publishers who think that people own it."
- John Lennon
Nanna 2.n:
SvarSlet1. There are pros and cons to everything, but i agree with Duffy in her opinion about illegal downloading:
Duffy has suggested that she supports illegal downloading - as she believes it will ultimately inspire fans to buy more music.
http://www.nme.com/news/duffy/38499
2. When artist are able to listen to other artist music, it will only help themselves - more inspiration:
"As much music as musicians can hear, that will only make music richer as an artform," Pecknold told BBC News.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8097324.stm
3. Downloading music online is a good thing for the environment. There's no need to produce a CD, when you can just download the songs online and be good to the environment:
This ConsumerGram focuses on the positive environmental impact of buying online and finds that just downloading music has resulted in 6.5 billion fewer miles driven each year.
http://www.theamericanconsumer.org/2008/07/08/going-green-downloading-music-is-good-for-the-environment/
4. I think that it's nice for students who don't have that much money, that they are able to download music for free. Music has become a big part of every young people's everyday, and i personally love to just sit in the bus with my iPod, and listen to all the music i downloaded illegally.
5. Optimize - First it was the vinyl, then the cassete, then the CD, and now the internet. The world is 'getting smaller' day by day, and it is importaint to keep up, and be up to date.
Denne kommentar er fjernet af forfatteren.
SvarSletMost music downloaders are not using their downloads to build massive collections of music. The study found that only 10 percent of downloaders have more than 100 songs stored on their hard drives and that 63 percent have fewer than 25 songs stored.
SletAlthough Napster has promoted itself as a way for new bands to be heard, only 31 percent of music file-sharers surveyed had downloaded files to listen to new artists for the first time.
I dont think downloading music will harm the artists. So what if they lose a lot of money of the songs which isn’t purchased, still now a days some artists doesn’t make any money of recorded music anyway. Because no one buys it. They make money on merchandise, live shows, and so on.
Besides downloading musics is so easy today, when there are zero chance of ever getting caught!
When we already have paid a lot of money to singers/producers, shouldn´t they give us something free, just a little, back?
SvarSletArt and culture should be free!
It will be impossible to stop the illegal downloading, so why fight it?*
The more people hear, the better chances to sign a record deal.*
The prices of music and films are much higher than they singers/producers actually need. They charge people for too much money because they can.*
*http://voices.yahoo.com/illegal-downloading-why-it-78281.html
If art and culture became free, very few would have the motivation to go full heartedly into the music industry. If there is no money involved in music, then why do it? It is like a job 24/7 without getting paid.
SletU mad bro?
Yours sincerely Yahea and Abdi
What about all the artists who aren't that popular yet?
SletIt doesn't make sence. - You have to pay for something and if you don't pay for their music, they don't get any money. I'm just saying !!! Peace..
Sletwe live in this real world, they cant give us something free, it is all about the money. and they also gets more fans if we download their music, nobody is buying CD anymore. if someone wants a cd they burned it.
Sletlove linna :D
Lady gaga is okay with us downloading her music illegally. As she says, the artist doesn’t make that much money of a CD because it goes mostly to the record company, but they do when they go in tour! And by letting people download the music for free, there will become more fans.
SvarSlethttp://www.instantfundas.com/2010/05/lady-gaga-says-downloading-her-music.html
And Lady Gaga has no money left, so good for her! it's her choice if she doesn't want's to make money. She can't even make people come to her koncerts, so maybe she should focus a bit more and that.
Slethmpf.
Slet- Lady Gaga's concert in DK was sold out - and it was freaking awesome ;)
Illegal download is forcing the music industry to make it easier and more affordable to buy music. Instead of keep on trying to shut it down, they should embrace it, and understand it, so they can make programs, that are affordable, so people get interested in it.
SvarSlethttp://blog.videoarmy.tv/blog-news/why-illegal-downloading-is-good/
I can't see the problem in downloading music, it's not like any of the big artist are starving because of it (and if they where, people wouldn't notice they would just fit in, in Hollywood and the lovely world of eating disorders). 57% admits do downloading illegal, so there is still 43% left to buy the music. And if you are a new and upcoming band, most people will not download your music jet, so don't be scared, you'll make it if you have any talent - and if not, then find another job.
SvarSletWhen singers like Shakira don't mind, but see it as a good thing, then why shouldn’t it be? And it's not like she is alone! Singers and rappers like 50cent and Duffy shares her view on it. So if great artist doesn’t mind, then it can't be such a big problem?!
Link:
1. http://www.popeater.com/2009/10/21/shakira-illegal-downloading/
2. http://techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%E2%80%99t-hurt-artists/
3. http://www.nme.com/news/duffy/38499
Olivia.
you say that the big artists are not starving but illegal downloading still costs the new artsists a lot of money and their dream...
SletOf course Shakire doesn´t mind. She is rich and doesn´t need more money....
Not every Hollywoodstar has an eating disorder, so first of all, don't generalize.
SletBut no, they aren't starving, but they still have to get paid for the work they do. Otherwise it's stealing.
The great artists doesn't mide, because they make SO much money. But what about the not so big artist?
Nanna 2.n
Dowloadng is a problem, yes. But when it's going to cost me about 150-200,- for a CD, where I only want to listen to two or three songs, I can’t see the harm in downloading those. Every time you go to the movies, you also pay about 150-200,- and with that said, yes of course it’s another kind of experience and yes, I do go to the movies sometimes – when I feel like the movie is worth the money.
SvarSletI read an article form a guy, who’s a songwriter and wants to make a big name of himself and his music. He thinks it’s okay, and Metallice should take it easy. If the music gets downloaded, that means people like it, and through social network, you become more “known”, then what you would ten years ago.
"I'm a simple man. I'm not dirt poor but I'm not what you would call "well off". So when I hear the word "FREE", my head pops up and I take notice. I'm a musician and singer with a deep love and appreciation for music. I'm quite a movie buff and enjoy sitting down to a good movie. I'm also a computer geek that loves to play computer games, and get acquainted with the latest computer software. However, I don't have the $599.00 US dollars to pay for a program like Adobe Photoshop or $60 US dollars to spend on the new Roxio Easy CD creator and I'd like to see the hot new movie releases in the comfort of my own home and not have to spend about $30 US dollars for my lady and I to go to the local cinema. My lady and I still go to the movies about twice a month. I still buy a CD occasionally but I don't like buying a CD if I'm only going to like 2 songs out of the 12 that are on it. So I download all these things. Now the games I download usually don't stay on my PC for long. After I beat the game in most cases, I delete the file. The music I keep and the computer software I usually keep as well. Do I feel a bit guilty? Not at all."
http://voices.yahoo.com/illegal-downloading-why-it-78281.html
- Katrine "Swupper" 2N
I don't think it's okay when it comes to downloading movies, because often you only see a movie one time and if all download exact one movie, nobody will buy it.
SletMai
1) There are far more music files-sharing that have been downloaded in the past few years than there have ever been in relation to the purchase of CDs. For an example, on Youtube where a song can have 400 million viewers
SvarSlet2) On Spotify the artist gets money every time one person play his song and imbue the artist to get a lot of money, maybe even more than a sale only of CDs.
linna og yahea
3)
1) As the person writes in this article "the quality musicians will rise to the top and continue to produce music, while the manufactured pop artists will eventually fade into oblivion" - after they tried to flog their own clothing line, or maybe participate in a reality show. http://www.mappingtheweb.com/2007/01/04/why-music-piracy-is-good-for-music/
SvarSletIf the artist is good enough, people want to pay for it.
2) In this article says that well-known artists like Lady Gaga, Neil Young and Shakira is okay with people sharing their music. For them the sharing of the music is more important than the price they are selling it for. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/06/lady-gaga-jack-white-norah-jones-musicians-piracy_n_1258319.html
3) ““Is music file sharing good for musicians? All logic says “no,” but many musicians are making the new music climate work in their favour. While music piracy is ripping millions of dollars out of the industry, some artists are thinking outside the box and searching for ways to make today’s environment of almost limitless, free access to music be an advantage, rather than a disadvantage, to their careers.”
(http://www.pagesdigital.com/music-piracy-good-musicians/#music-piracy-feature/music-piracy-logo.jpg)
If you have free access to the artists’ music, it could, as the quote says, be an advantage for the musician. Their music are going to be more popular.
4) In a way music piracy is some kind of “free publicity”, especially when people share the music on social medias.
5) "Piracy is a naughty word in the music business, but it indicates a level of interest," says Cecelia Kurtzman (...) "Piracy is a reason for optimism — interest in music is rising exponentially. We just need to find the right way to connect with the public."
Source: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfidojojqlmh/rss2/
1)
SvarSletWhile boasting a large music library is great for the voracious music lover, it can also mean a lot of clutter in terms of CD jewel cases. Downloading music is good because digital files don't take up any physical space. Amassing hundreds or thousands of albums via downloading means a big selection of music, without a big collection of jewel cases and CD racks. An external hard drive can hold the same amount of music as a roomful of CDs.
http://www.ehow.com/list_6728851_good-things-downloading-music.html#ixzz25cvX2mc1
2)
Although the odds seem stacked against file-sharing offenders, they do have a few unexpected allies. Well-known musicians like Lady Gaga, Neil Young, Shakira and several other big acts have stated that they are OK with music piracy, if not in full support of it. While their reasons vary, it's clear across the board that these artists tend to care more about sharing their music than selling it for a price.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/06/lady-gaga-jack-white-norah-jones-musicians-piracy_n_1258319.html
Martin
Illegal downloading provides the artist more listeners, because more and more hear about the songs on the internet. Furthermore the artist may risk more media attention, and in that way make a profit on it.
SvarSletDuffy doesn’t care about people who download her music; actually she believes it will inspire fans to buy more music.
http://www.nme.com/news/duffy/38499
Another man, who is a musician and a songwriter thinks that the more people hear his stuff, the better, because if he one day gets a record deal, people will know him and his cd’s will be sold.
Another argument he has for illegal downloading: “I don't like buying a CD if I'm only going to like 2 songs out of the 12 that are on it.”
http://voices.yahoo.com/illegal-downloading-why-it-78281.html
Mai
"The Colombian singer Shakira insists that illegal music downloading actually makes her feel closer to her fans and supported those who used internet file-sharing" I think Shakira is right because, the fans want to help their idol becoming a big star.
SvarSlet"file sharing doesn’t hurt the artist, concert and merchandise sales are the key to profiting from music" this is a quote from 50 cent. and that is true, because you have to be the best to make it in the music industry and if you isn't, then stop complaining and try to make it better.
"downloading music illegally is 'amazing'" this is what Duffy thinks of illegal downloading and that is true.
I think music artists against illegal downloading should shut up, they knew it was a though industy before they started and i haven't seen a big artist starving yet.
Ditte.
What about the Band Marillion? They suffer due to the illegal downloading on the internet. Some artist maybe think that the illegal download is god. But it is still bad for many artists.
SletGet your facts right!!
And Shakira is also a famous artist. He makes millions of her singels and albums. So you can't compare Shikira and Marillion
SletHow will illegally downloading make you closer to your fans? Why do you agree with that, that makes absolutely no sense.
SletAnd i can't see why downloading music is amazing. It is illegally, and there's nothing 'amazing' about that.
The artist may not be starving, but they have to get paid for there job. That would be like, if you were owning a store, and someone just took something from it.
Nanna 2.n
Ditte: We think you're right in what you are saying, but please.. Stop swearing, it's very unflattering ;)
SletOskar: don't you think Shakira is a bigger idol than Marillion is? all Ditte is saying is that big stars doesn't have a problem with it.
Kathrine and Line
Yeah you're probably right :)
SletNanna if someone stole from my store i would secure it better, so it wouldn't happen again :)
I don’t think that the music industry is fucked because of illegal music downloading. Because when I download a famous artist’s album for an example Snoop dogg, the album will get more views and circulation around my friends and their friends. Of cause only if I think the album is great, and then I will recommend it to them. But if I didn’t downloaded the album I wouldn’t know how it was, and then I couldn’t tell my friends how good I was.
SvarSletMy other argument is that the most famous artist has to work harder to keep the fans interest of buying their album and not downloading it. I think that could be healthy for the musicians
However, I don't have the $599.00 US dollars to pay for a program like Adobe Photoshop or $60 US dollars to spend on the new Roxio Easy CD creator and I'd like to see the hot new movie releases in the comfort of my own home and not have to spend about $30 US dollars for my lady and I to go to the local cinema
That I can relate to because the reason I download is because of my economy. It’s unrealistic for me to buy the albums I want, so that my augment
Thrane
I think it is okay to download things because the bands make money in other ways, they getting their names out and gives some concerts where they get a lot of money. It has been a hobby today. The most people in the world do it. Some people don’t have money to pay for CD’s and stuff like that so it is a faster way of getting music. I think the most important is that their music is getting out and being heard. I think it is wrong to say: “It is a criminal thing” in fact that everyone does it.
SvarSletA Teacher says - Some music artist’s view pirated music as a promotional tool. In other words, their music is getting out there and being heard, even though they are not receiving any money for it. They are basically getting their names out there and in return receiving money from things such as concerts, etc.
Katrin
I <3 FAXEKONDI
SvarSlet